Hi, My Name is Dubya, and...

[RQ]

I take no personal responsibility for the credibility of the following remarks, just saw them on the desk of a friend and asked if I could borrow them. Kind of interesting. Anyway..

"My name is George W. Bush, and in the nearly 3 years since I took office...


I attacked and took over two countries.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

I withdrew from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. "

Take from that whatever you want, but I found some of them interesting enough. I'll look for some sites on several of the more controversial points made, and post them when/if I find decent ones.

[eetu]

Yeah, well...I'm just happy I don't live in the States, so I don't have to consider that stupid monkeyface as my president. :mad:

[Jon Bloodstone]

Yeah, well...I'm just happy I don't live in the States, so I don't have to consider that stupid monkeyface as my president. :mad:

Ya'll think that's bad... your lucky I'm not president!

[Vendetta]

OK, don't get me wrong, I'm as liberal as the next person, but isn't George W. bashing a bit passe??

[eetu]

Ya'll think that's bad... your lucky I'm not president!


Oh yeah? You mean you'd better him in stupidity?

[eetu]

OK, don't get me wrong, I'm as liberal as the next person, but isn't George W. bashing a bit passe??


Might be so, we don't really know (=care) here in the land of polar bears. Bashing in general is a nice hobby though. :banghead:

[GarouX]

Bush blows.

[RQ]

OK, don't get me wrong, I'm as liberal as the next person, but isn't George W. bashing a bit passe??

The bashing will cease when the material does.

[chriz]

Let me preface this by saying I didn't vote for Bush.

I attacked and took over two countries.

One, actually, and Iraq is currently rebuilding its government with its own people.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

This betrays a lack of understanding of how the US Federal budget works. We never really had a surplus. Instead, they simply took certain items off the budget reports to make it look as though they were spending less than they were bringing in (Social Security and the Post Office being two big culprits).

Oh, and "they" in this case was the Clinton administration.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

The market had been propped up by an artificial balloon, and any investor worth his pay was saying it was going to burst years before it did (I knew it would back in 98, I just didn't know exactly when).

I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

Well, if you discount Washington... :p

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Which has been shown pretty clearly to be Clinton's failing. The WTC plans had been in the works since Clinton's first term.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

How does that compare to other presidents?

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

Nonsense. I have or have known people who have collected both during Clinton and Bush's reigns. There was no change to benefits -- if anything it was easier to collect during Bush's term.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV.

Who cares?

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

Uh, which Constitutional amendments were these? The president can't just "amend the Constitution".

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

The application of corporate law isn't the jurisdiction of the Executive Branch.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

How badly, in relation to other presidents?

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

The "15 million" number is greatly exaggerated, and the majority of those were non-Americans, so who cares? Would the people of England care if people protested Blair over here?

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Many of which were outdated or no longer worth it to us to maintain. An example was the ABM treaty which -- get this -- forbade us from building defensive weaponry. You know, the short-range missiles that are designed to knock down incoming ICBMs. We abided by this treaty why..?

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Considering America is a capitalist nation, that's a good thing. Wealth = success over here.

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

I can't speak for other states, but Massachusetts is in financial trouble mainly because of the Big Dig and the cost overruns generated by crap management and serious internal corruption. It had nothing to do with Bush's policies. In fact, Bush Sr. even predicted, back in 91 or so, that it would push MA into so much debt that we would have to come crawling to the fedgov for a bailout (which we did). His (and Reagan's before him) resistance to the Big Dig was eventually overruled by -- you got it -- Clinton.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

Right, because Vietnam never happened. And it was UN law he was acting to enforce in Iraq. Why was the UN so reluctant to act on their own demands?

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

Which shows how corrupt the UN is. Syria is on that commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

The UN sucks.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

The UN was irrelevant pretty much from day 1. Like the ABM and other treaties, it no longer serves the US to be part of it.

I withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Thankfully. The last thing private American citizens need or want is an international body of law watching over them. Central world government = evil.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

When did this happen?

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

Again, thankfully. It's not the rest of the world's business how we handle ourselves.

I take no personal responsibility for the credibility of the [above] remarks...

Is that why you felt safe posting such distorted drivel?

[RQ]

Is that why you felt safe posting such distorted drivel?

I didn't claim it to be my own opinions, chriz, and I said I'd look for sites to ascertain credibility. I just found some of them (should they be true) to be really interesting, and thought some others might share the interest - No harm done.

[eetu]

Oh well...smartasses ruining a nice little bash again. :droolbloo

[chriz]

Oh well...smartasses ruining a nice little bash again. :droolbloo

Sorry. Like I said, I didn't vote for him, but if you're gonna bash the guy, use actual facts.

[eetu]

Sorry. Like I said, I didn't vote for him, but if you're gonna bash the guy, use actual facts.


Hey don't worry, the only fact I used was that he's a monkeyface and an ugly personality. But hell, who knows, he might be a wonderful guy if you get to know him well. Haha.

[shadowhound]

Wow, chriz, some actual facts!:)
Mind you, I think Bush, well, could be doing a better job, but people go so overboard. :rolleyes:
And as to "No harm done"? People would have belived those 'facts' if chriz hadn't refuted them. Well, some people.

[phantomroller]

The "15 million" number is greatly exaggerated, and the majority of those were non-Americans, so who cares? Would the people of England care if people protested Blair over here?

well that's really sad if you have the entire world protesting you. doesn't that say something. when all these people protested, it just made them even more mad at America then they already were...

Which shows how corrupt the UN is. Syria is on that commission.

well you can't exculde a country. it's the United Nations...meaning everyone.

The UN was irrelevant pretty much from day 1. Like the ABM and other treaties, it no longer serves the US to be part of it.

if there were no UN, then everyone would do whatever they wanted to and go to war with anyone they didn't like, just like Bush did. and look what has happened!!!

[phantomroller]

oh and Red_Queen...I loved the Bush bashing (so to say) it was great!!!

[chriz]

nope. unempolyment rate has been completely horrible since Bush took office. with Clinton, employment rate was very high. then here this guy comes and screws everything up....

Employment only kicked up halfway through Clinton's second term, and only because the Internet took off. Had nothing to do with him, just like the "low" job market now (actually, the best since the 80s) has little to do with Bush.

well that's really sad if you have the entire world protesting you. doesn't that say something. when all these people protested, it just made them even more mad at America then they already were...

The point was, there really wasn't that high a number of protesters.

well you can't exculde a country. it's the United Nations...meaning everyone.

Yup, regardless of behavior or values.

if there were no UN, then everyone would do whatever they wanted to and go to war with anyone they didn't like, just like Bush did. and look what has happened!!!

Yes! Democracy in Iraq is a beautiful thing, no?

[blueeyes]

6 billion / 16 million. Doesn't sound like most of the world. Sure, he's not popular, but I don't think many of the US people have been, worldwide.

Syria should not be on a commision investigating things like, say, rights of civillians. If you haven't read your history, they like to kill/torture people who they don't like. IE: 'we didn't sign no Geneva Convention.'
Not all countries were on the Human Rights Commision, by the way. They're the group that reviews other countries in the UN.

And finally, the UN did very little to prevent wars. Most of the unofficial peaces of the last half century were simply due to economic sanctions (U.S.) or fear of nuclear threat (all). The UN, on the other hand, was meant for peacekeeping efforts.

[AlphaMale]

Very good refutation Chriz. I was gonna pick it apart, but you said just about everything that needed saying.

[kaycee]

The first post wasn't interesting at all IMO. It was just a bunch of drivel written by some anti Bush asshole trying to be funny.

Iraq is a better place already and will continue to get much better. Sometimes war is necessary to bring good things to people who deserve a better life. Many people don't agree with how everything was done, but the outcome is what's important.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Sorry Chriz is it just me or do you give the impression that you believe the U.S ie. Bush has higher authority than the democraticly elected body that repressents the world or at least the majority of it. Also it's our buisiness if the only remaining superpower with the power to nuke the world can't even run fair elections I think thats my business lest some madman should take the control

[chriz]

Sorry Chriz is it just me or do you give the impression that you believe the U.S ie. Bush has higher authority than the democraticly elected body that repressents the world or at least the majority of it. Also it's our buisiness if the only remaining superpower with the power to nuke the world can't even run fair elections I think thats my business lest some madman should take the control

When we lose the ability run a fair election, then maybe that will be something to worry about. Anyone who paid attention knows that the 2000 election was as legal as it could have been. Even if all the missing votes were for Gore, the American president has never been elected by the popular vote. Every last regular citizen in this country could have voted for Gore, and if the electors voted for Bush, Bush is legally president. The electors would lose their jobs, but their votes would stand.

Keep in mind that if Gore had won, it would have been by the same sliver of a margin. It's not like it was obvious either way.

The day the UN can actually claim the power to disrupt our electoral process is the day I move to Antarctica. Luckily, the UN gets the vast majority of its funding from America (and England), so it's not like that's going to happen any time soon.

So, higher authority? Over internal matters, absolutely. The UN can very much please go fuck itself with a rusty saw.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Sorry I don't think someone who illegaly purges voters from the roles still has legal standing for his presidency supreme court or no supreme court

[chriz]

Sorry I don't think someone who illegaly purges voters from the roles still has legal standing for his presidency supreme court or no supreme court

Explain what "purges voters from the roles" means?

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

I was refering to the people illegal removed from the ballot in Florida if that wasn't self evident

[Eldrakyn]

Under absolutely every circumstance I disagree with Edwardo, except this one. He is making a good point for once... Don't get used to this though...

[chriz]

I was refering to the people illegal removed from the ballot in Florida if that wasn't self evident

It wasn't, because there's no real evidence that happened.

[Eldrakyn]

It wasn't, because there's no real evidence that happened.

Yes, and no real evidence of(the lack of) WMDs in Iraq, and not much on the whole AWOL episode, and no real evidence on a lot of things... but with Bush and the Bush administration, 'Guilty until proven innocent' shall stand to reason I'd say.

[chriz]

Yes, and no real evidence of(the lack of) WMDs in Iraq, and not much on the whole AWOL episode, and no real evidence on a lot of things... but with Bush and the Bush administration, 'Guilty until proven innocent' shall stand to reason I'd say.

*shrugs*

What the point you're trying to make? That Bush covered stuff up? He's a politician. Guilty until proven innocent stands for all of them.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

sorry for delay pant..pant here goes....

How bout the files on CD that leaked from Katherine Harris's (proving that 57,700 people 90.2 percent of which were innocent were purged as felons) shortly after the election which the Murdoch machine unsurprisingly did not report on. and it wasn't until the British BBC along with newspapers the Observer and Gaurdian leaked the story that The Nation ran the story and you can refute it as socialist/liberal bullshit but there the facts as I know them.

[Eldrakyn]

*shrugs*

What the point you're trying to make? That Bush covered stuff up? He's a politician. Guilty until proven innocent stands for all of them.

Bush's lackeys are politicians, and that's what makes them politicians really... the cheating and lying and whatnot. He's... I don't know what he is, but he shouldn't be here! And we shouldn't waste our time talking about how hopeless and idiotic he is, he's proven he can do that for himself.

Still won't stop me throwing up an arguement though, even if I agree with someone. :shrug:

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

This man does not represent me.

[Eldrakyn]

This man does not represent me.

You talkin' 'bout me? For once I agree with you on something, then you try and look all high and mighty? You ungrateful little shite, when I catch ya I'll cut off your head and shit down your throat, then shove your head up your arse and mail you to the White house!

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Sorry thought I'd add some humour to an otherwise bland day no offence intended

[Eldrakyn]

Sorry thought I'd add some humour to an otherwise bland day no offence intended

No fences indeed, except the one I put you through...
Humour and Bush don't mix... Humour about/involving Bush however... Hehe. I'm only playing with ya. If I was serious, I'd go around wearing a cape made of authentic Michael Moore skins, and a hat made of Coca Cola labels, shoes from Nestle cereal boxes, etc. And force you to wear them, whilst working at mcdonalds, signing documents to half workers pay in developing countries, each penny saved funding the AA.

There ya go, enjoy. This WILL be deleted, so read fast.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Fie Fie now back to the subject at hand if Chriz is still out there

[Eldrakyn]

Fie Fie now back to the subject at hand if Chriz is still out there

He's always watching... damn admin! And since we agree, I'm leaving the debate to ye two. You know more than me, which doesn't say too much, and I assume he knows what he's talking about. Play nice(kick him in the gonads) ;)

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

No if you check the active users at the bottom of the page he's been gone for an hour so I'm going to bed I'll be back in the morning

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

*shrugs*

What the point you're trying to make? That Bush covered stuff up? He's a politician. Guilty until proven innocent stands for all of them.

Then why question the evidence about Florida

[chriz]

Yes, and no real evidence of(the lack of) WMDs in Iraq, and not much on the whole AWOL episode, and no real evidence on a lot of things... but with Bush and the Bush administration, 'Guilty until proven innocent' shall stand to reason I'd say.

I think you'll need to hang a lot of people, then... (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)

[chriz]

Then why question the evidence about Florida

I'm questioning it because I don't see any evidence of tampering. You say you have some (or have seen some), but you're not providing it.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

I think you'll need to hang a lot of people, then... (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)

I agree there I didn't trust Clinton anymore than Bush well maybe
a small bit but not much I swear.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

I'm questioning it because I don't see any evidence of tampering. You say you have some (or have seen some), but you're not providing it.

What proof do you want a written confession. After The Nation printed it, it was covered by the Washington Post the following June and it spread from there. I thought it was an excepted fact these days.

[blueeyes]

Well, there's the overseas ballots that were discounted because of a bad post office, the crappy design plans for ballots, and the people who may have been ex-felons (both normal ex-felons and a few people who were excluded for having similar names or being convicted in Texas).
However, none of that was illegal or even ugly by conventional standards. The first one helped Gore and the other two were legal by Florida law.
And after all that, it didn't even matter in the end because the Supreme Court dealt with it for us, again something that is legal, although not pretty. There was no, or very little, tampering, beyond that of people following the law.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

"people who were excluded for having similar names or being convicted in Texas)."


A few again the figures stand at roughly 57,000. 90.2% of which were innocent and just shared names or sometimes birthdays with felons.

[wolf_feahters]

And if Gore had won, the right wing would say that the he one by the court's, not the election.

Come on guy's, the next election is a few monthes away. Get off your tuff's, and vote.

(then again, I could have done that last time, and this stupid non-smoking law wouldn't be in effect in Florida)

Wolf Feathers

[GoldShadowHunt]

This whole thing is total bull, but it is amusing, I'll give it that.
Props to the Queen.
And Wolf Feathers, you're not alone. It took effect in my city, and it weirds out each and every one of us when we go to another city (about 40 miles away) and they ask us if we'd like smoking or non-smoking. You know your friends are desperate when they'll drive 40 miles to have a cigarette at their table.
Makes me glad I'm not a smoker.

[orange camelion]

*shrugs*

What the point you're trying to make? That Bush covered stuff up? He's a politician. Guilty until proven innocent stands for all of them.


that doesnt make it right

[hellwolf]

why did they even choose that monkey -faced dude who cant run a country? whoever voted for Bush was retarted! :D

[blueeyes]

Excluding the folks in Florida who got their votes mixed up, I don't think too many were retarded. But we live in America, so even people with a single digit IQ are allowed to vote. And reproduce, for some reason.

Speaking of, Florida has apparently found a solution to said voting issues...