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Darth Cluich
01-25-2005, 04:04 PM
Democrats Stall Vote on Rice Confirmation (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=542&e=17&u=/ap/20050124/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_change_of_plans )

Mon Jan 24, 8:37 AM ET

By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - An important part of President Bush (news - web sites)'s second-term plans went slightly off the rails during an inauguration week that ran pretty much on time.

If the White House had its way, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) would have been confirmed by the Senate as secretary of state on Thursday, when Bush took the oath of office and gave his inaugural address. Rice easily won a vote in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, but Democrats stalled a vote by the full Senate on her nomination.

The delay probably says something about Rice's sometimes indignant responses to tough questions during two days of confirmation hearings last week, and something about the hair-trigger atmosphere in the highly polarized Congress, said Paul C. Light, a New York University professor and fellow at the Brookings Institution.

"My advice to her is, `Chill out, and don't take it personally,'" Light said. "She needs to get used to the prying eyes of Congress."

Rice did not have much direct experience with Congress as White House national security adviser the past four years. This was the first time she has gone through the sometimes rigorous and exhausting confirmation process.

"Condoleezza Rice may have been in the chair, but some may have seen President George Bush sitting there, so there was a face to face confrontation, some important questions," the committee chairman, GOP Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, said Sunday on CNN's "Late Edition."

The Senate planned to debate the nomination on Tuesday, with a vote set for Wednesday.

Rice's quick move to the State Department was so widely expected that department employees had been told to get ready for a welcome session at the building last Friday. The greeting was to take place in the same mezzanine area where the president's first secretary of state, Colin Powell, bade farewell to employees last Wednesday.

Still on duty, Powell represented the United States at the inauguration on Sunday of Ukraine's democratically elected president, Viktor Yushchenko.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada denied Republicans' suggestions that Democrats are playing politics with Rice's nomination.

Rice is a chief architect of the Bush administration policies in Iraq and in the overall fight against terrorism, and her record should be reviewed with care, Reid and Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said in a statement Friday.

"To suggest that the Senate should not have any debate about Ms. Rice's performance and the future direction of American foreign policy shows not only a high level of arrogance on behalf of some Republicans, but also a blatant disregard for our constitutional responsibilities," the Democrats said.

Biden was one of Rice's most persistent questioners during last week's committee hearings. Biden was among 16 committee members who vote to recommend Rice's confirmation. He also told her he was exasperated by her responses to some questions about Iraq and other topics.

The Democrats voted against Rice. Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., cited her record in influencing Bush's first-term foreign policy and her performance at the hearing.

Rice had testy exchanges with Boxer over whether she misled Americans about the threat posed by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. At one point, Rice asked Boxer to stop "impugning my credibility."

Rice refused to answer some questions about torture methods, and gave what Democrats called incomplete or unhelpful replies on other subjects.

"That's the kind of thing senators don't like," Light said. "They like their questions answered and they don't like to be challenged."

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So what does everyone think of Rice's nomination? I personally think she's one of the most (if not the most) qualified people to ever be nominated for the post.

Reformer56
01-25-2005, 11:06 PM
I think she is very qualified for the position I just hope she doesn't become a puppet and she actually helps advise as well as carry out her duty. In my opinion when she stood at the hearings she was merely musing what she had been told to say. I hope that she does a better job as Secretary Of State.

Ender
01-25-2005, 11:08 PM
A woman you say?

Well, we'll see.

Lance Walker
01-26-2005, 12:24 PM
While I do think she's very qualified for this position, I also think she's already a puppet of the Bush administration. And on her responses it's kind of interesting since I was watching a show on PBS once, where they had an expert on who could read body language and tell you if someone was lying or not. He said that in his opinion Rice was the worst lier that he's ever seen since if you'll notice that when she lies she her face freezes up as she tries to show no emotion, but it never works as you can almost always read her emotions too. Though if she wants to get the job I'm kinda guessing she might want to be more cooperative since senators don't like being challenged like the article said.

And while I do think the Democrats are trying to play politics on this one, I also believe that they should question her on Bush's policies too.

Well, that's my take on things. Take it as you may.

Lance Walker :cool:

chriz
01-26-2005, 06:51 PM
And on her responses it's kind of interesting since I was watching a show on PBS once, where they had an expert on who could read body language and tell you if someone was lying or not.

I, on the other hand, am an expert in telling when so-called experts are full of shit or not. If it was so easy to tell when someone is lying, why don't we see these "truth experts" used in courts?

McKitty
01-26-2005, 09:25 PM
I, on the other hand, am an expert in telling when so-called experts are full of shit or not. If it was so easy to tell when someone is lying, why don't we see these "truth experts" used in courts?

Because that would be ...uh ....UnAmerican so something like that if the ACLU got ahold of it.

I've never had beef against the woman and it's always nice to see us ladies climbing up to play with the big boys. If she does a good job, then great, if she doesn't ...can we blame this on Bush too?

Reformer56
01-27-2005, 12:29 AM
Because that would be ...uh ....UnAmerican so something like that if the ACLU got ahold of it.

I've never had beef against the woman and it's always nice to see us ladies climbing up to play with the big boys. If she does a good job, then great, if she doesn't ...can we blame this on Bush too?

I agree its good that Ms. Rice is making a political but I still stand by my opinion that she is liable to being controlled. And the last thing we need is anoother Secratary Of State with that problem. As for women on the rise, we may very well have a democratic candidate for president in '08 who is a woman. Hilary Clinton is very likely to the nomination in the next election cycle.

McKitty
01-27-2005, 12:36 AM
I like Hilary Clinton but if she went up for President I'm not too sure I'd vote for her. I don't know why, but she has my gut instincts going all helter skelter on me.

Reformer56
01-27-2005, 12:38 AM
Haha, you and many more of us. It certainly would be interesting to see what she would run on if she did decide to...

Darth Cluich
05-05-2005, 02:21 PM
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blueeyes
05-05-2005, 04:15 PM
The 'truth experts' aren't used in court for many reasons, among them that even experts in the field admit that it has many flaws. There has been some scientific evidence to show that it works - I believe there was study with many members of the Secret Service able to detect true-false lies at a 80% accuracy rate, significantly higher than normal. However, even these impressive individuals could be fooled consistantly, and in fact, suffered incredibly low accuracy rates against some individuals with non-typical reactions or mentalities.

She'd make a good Secretary of State, but her skills don't seem to fit the ideals we associate with a President, and thus I think putting her in that position would be a waste of talent.

As to Hillary Clinton, there's too many skeletons in her closet involving how she funneled some money around. If there's a single Republican in Senate and she runs for President, the resulting deluge of lawsuits would be enough of a problem for her to not make it through the primaries.

Darth Cluich
05-05-2005, 04:17 PM
She'd make a good Secretary of State, but her skills don't seem to fit the ideals we associate with a President, and thus I think putting her in that position would be a waste of talent.


Um...she already is Secretary of State...