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Sorrowsong
01-31-2005, 03:25 PM
First Amendment No Big Deal, Students Say

By BEN FELLER
AP Education Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The way many high school students see it, government censorship of newspapers may not be a bad thing, and flag burning is hardly protected free speech.

It turns out the First Amendment is a second-rate issue to many of those nearing their own adult independence, according to a study of high school attitudes released Monday.

The original amendment to the Constitution is the cornerstone of the way of life in the United States, promising citizens the freedoms of religion, speech, press and assembly.

Yet, when told of the exact text of the First Amendment, more than one in three high school students said it goes "too far" in the rights it guarantees. Only half of the students said newspapers should be allowed to publish freely without government approval of stories.

"These results are not only disturbing; they are dangerous," said Hodding Carter III, president of the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, which sponsored the $1 million study. "Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nation's future."

The students are even more restrictive in their views than their elders, the study says.

When asked whether people should be allowed to express unpopular views, 97 percent of teachers and 99 percent of school principals said yes. Only 83 percent of students did.

The results reflected indifference, with almost three in four students saying they took the First Amendment for granted or didn't know how they felt about it. It was also clear that many students do not understand what is protected by the bedrock of the Bill of Rights.

Three in four students said flag burning is illegal. It's not. About half the students said the government can restrict any indecent material on the Internet. It can't.

"Schools don't do enough to teach the First Amendment. Students often don't know the rights it protects," Linda Puntney, executive director of the Journalism Education Association, said in the report. "This all comes at a time when there is decreasing passion for much of anything. And, you have to be passionate about the First Amendment."

The partners in the project, including organizations of newspaper editors and radio and television news directors, share a clear advocacy for First Amendment issues.

Federal and state officials, meanwhile, have bemoaned a lack of knowledge of U.S. civics and history among young people. Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., has even pushed through a mandate that schools must teach about the Constitution on Sept. 17, the date it was signed in 1787.

The survey, conducted by researchers at the University of Connecticut, is billed as the largest of its kind. More than 100,000 students, nearly 8,000 teachers and more than 500 administrators at 544 public and private high schools took part in early 2004.

The study suggests that students embrace First Amendment freedoms if they are taught about them and given a chance to practice them, but schools don't make the matter a priority.

Students who take part in school media activities, such as a student newspapers or TV production, are much more likely to support expression of unpopular views, for example.

About nine in 10 principals said it is important for all students to learn some journalism skills, but most administrators say a lack of money limits their media offerings.

More than one in five schools offer no student media opportunities; of the high schools that do not offer student newspapers, 40 percent have eliminated them in the last five years.

"The last 15 years have not been a golden era for student media," said Warren Watson, director of the J-Ideas project at Ball State University in Indiana. "Programs are under siege or dying from neglect. Many students do not get the opportunity to practice our basic freedoms."

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*thud* The First Amendment is doomed.

Darth Cluich
01-31-2005, 03:26 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

Damn kids...

DarkWolf
01-31-2005, 06:44 PM
promising citizens the freedoms of religion, speech, press and assemblyIsn't that just a crock of shit anyway? Kids' ingorance of that false promise is not worth noting. Whether the agree or disagree - what difference does it make? Read any U.S. newspaper, watch news, trawl through public forums (on and offline) and reports and documentaries... etc... You find evidence everywhere that the authorities and those in power have proved they are not acknowledging that first amendment. So, all the report shows is that kids don't care about what is not in effect.

Reformer56
01-31-2005, 07:31 PM
Yet, when told of the exact text of the First Amendment, more than one in three high school students said it goes "too far" in the rights it guarantees.

"Too Far" blargh. America has among one of the most free presses in the nation. In Germany for example all newspapers must be examined by a bureaucratic representative before it is printed. Although even in the U.S. there is often corporate involvment in the newspaper. Think for just a moment what it would mean to lose the freedom of speech or press. I mean we are talking 1984esque (Novel by George Orwell).

Ender
01-31-2005, 08:15 PM
I have hope for my generation. It is West and his generation that'll be a problem.

Reformer56
01-31-2005, 08:25 PM
That and national debt will be the two biggest problems that will face the current 15-25 year old generation.

Ender
01-31-2005, 08:29 PM
You are forgetting the ever shrinking job market for college grads, because older people are staying in their jobs longer or coming back to their jobs from retirement.

Reformer56
01-31-2005, 08:58 PM
Which strains Social Security becuase when all of these Baby Boomers retire at once SSI benefits will be streched to the limit supposedly. But what Greenspan neglects to tell us is that thses figures only account for no immigration in jobs and only a 1% growth in our economy per quarter. So Social Security is under a strain at the moment but not in the respect the government would have us believe.

Rainstorm
02-01-2005, 12:38 AM
Makes me ashamed sometimes. The First Ammendment is very important to me. I wonder why kids don't feel that way anymore.

Wolf-Bone
02-01-2005, 08:00 AM
Are we talking about the same schools that promote the idea that if kids get bullied, they should be punished for it instead of the bullies? Basic rights aren't an issue to them because no one is giving them the impression that they're an issue at all. Everyone is either so comfortable and well off that they don't even need to think about rights, or so deep in the hole that they'll gladly comprimise those rights if it means appeasing the right people. And when you think about it, that's why there's a peice of paper somewhere saying we have "rights" in the first place. The people that wrote it knew there would always be some degree of disparity between people, and wanted to prevent the same class warfare that drove them to leave and start a new country. But how are people nowadays supposed to care about the effect when they don't care about the cause?

Buddha Monkey
02-01-2005, 08:35 AM
When the First Amendment means nothing to the courts, why should it bother the rest of us? I've seen lawsuits won because of someone using their "Freedom of Speech".

Hell, attempt to get a job saying that your Pagan (I've seen people get turned away because of that), or a Satanist, and watch how far the courts aid you in protecting your "Feedom of Religion".

"Freedom of Press" hasn't EVER existed. Pick up a paper, and you will find that it either supports the Left or the Right. The local TAMPA Paper has one writer that is Left leaning, the rest are obviously Right Wing.

I want my Freedoms. I want to be able to say what I want, as long as it doesn't put others in danger. Not distress, not upset them, but in danger.

I want to be able to practice my Religion, no matter what others say.

I want to read a bias free paper. Well, that'll never happen, but still.

Remember, all of us that post to this website are technoly journalists. Well, those of us that post news, and comment on them. We should be the ones up in arms about all of this. Its not only THEIR rights that the High School crowd isn't caring about, but it's also OUR rights that they seem to not care about.

I know that some of you here are in High School. Remember, those of you bitching about it, that you can help educate them. Remind them that without those rights, well, we are nothing.

Darth Cluich
02-01-2005, 10:13 AM
"Freedom of Press" hasn't EVER existed. Pick up a paper, and you will find that it either supports the Left or the Right. The local TAMPA Paper has one writer that is Left leaning, the rest are obviously Right Wing.

Bias in a newspaper is not a violation of Freedom of the Press. Indeed, the fact that there are papers leaning to both sides is a result of having said freedom.

Lance Walker
02-01-2005, 11:32 AM
Although this is all very distressing, it doesn't surprise me that much. I think it has to do with a combination of things. For one thing, most high schools and some colleges for that matter too, have an outline of things they have to have taught to their students by the end of the semester, sometimes the teacher gets it done, other times they're a little bit short or a bit ahead, but the point is that they're always pushing to try to meet that criteria. Not to mention that with Bush's education bill in place, more and more time is spent trying to prepare students for evaluations and such. So, with all that focus spent on meeting teaching requirements and preparing students for the evaluations, how exactly are they supposed to find time to slip in little things like the constitution?

Not to mention, that like the article stated, schools often times have very little money to start with and often have to cut those programs that would help kids the most like educating them on our constitution and bill of rights.

Come to think of it, even with American government being required to pass high school back when I was a senior, you know, I don't even recall learning about what each bill of rights stated. It was only until after high school that I took the time to learn them.

Also, frankly, back when I was in high school working in the library, I also saw another disturbing thing among kids who were only a grade below me, that made me pessimistic about the younger generation and that was the fact that very few of them knew how to use anything other than a computer to find information. It was storming outside so the computers weren't able to access the state provided internet, so they were turned off. Then all these juniors came in looking for info on their research papers. Yet, if it hadn't been for me and the librarian they wouldn't been able to find out anything. I'm saying that periodical reference guides and even looking up a book on the shelf were alien concepts to all but a few of them. And when you see people on the tonight show who don't even know at least one of the freedoms listed in the first bill of the bill or rights, well, it doesn't suprise me that they're ignorant of it.

Plus, as Americans, often we take our freedoms for granted. So much so that we don't mind losing them cause we don't know what it's like to not have them in the first place. I just hope that they're's a reversal in this sometime soon cause if people aren't educated about government and what they're freedoms are then how are they to know what they're government can or can't get away with? Just a thought.

Well, I'm out.

Later all,

Lance Walker :cool: